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0000070Falcon BMS Known BugsDatabasepublic2022-05-01 12:46
Reporterjohku Assigned ToDee-Jay  
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
Status closedResolutionfixed 
PlatformPCOSWindowsOS VersionWindows 10
Product VersionBMS 4.35 
Target VersionBMS 4.36Fixed in VersionBMS 4.36 
Summary0000070: Suwon ILS 33R captures at DME 10 while chart shows capture between DME 16 and 20
DescriptionSuwon RWY 33R ILS glideslope and localizer capture at DME 10 while the corresponding ILS chart (\Docs\03 KTO Charts\01 South Korea\Suwon\ Suwon_ILS_33R.png) shows they should be captured between DME 16 and 20.
Steps To ReproduceFly the Suwon 33R ILS approach as shown by the ILS chart:

\Docs\03 KTO Charts\01 South Korea\Suwon\Suwon_ILS_33R.png
Additional InformationAn example of ILS localizer and glideslope capture at DME 15 may be found from Osan 09L ILS (in-game, the ILS can be captured at DME 15).
Tagsairbase
Theatre of OperationsKTO

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Blu3wolf

Blu3wolf

2021-01-25 06:25

manager   ~0000166

Johku, can I get a screenshot of you established on the ILS, with the HUD showing GS, and with the rate of descent visible in the screenshot?

Id like to establish whether the ILS is improperly angled, or if the documentation should be corrected.
johku

johku

2021-01-25 12:36

reporter   ~0000171

Here are some pics with their descriptions.
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x2021-01-25_191219_loc.png: I have just started descending around -2.5 deg on FPM after crossing DME 16. According to the chart, ILS glideslope (GS) and localizer (LOC) should have been captured by this time.

x2021-01-25_191048.png: Around DME 13, still no GS nor LOC.

x2021-01-25_191130.png: Taken just before the ILS GS comes alive.

x2021-01-25_191158_before_gs.png: ILS GS alive.

x2021-01-25_191200_gs.png: Taken just before the ILS LOC comes alive.

x2021-01-25_191218_before_loc.png: ILS LOC alive.
x2021-01-25_191048.jpg (787,128 bytes)
x2021-01-25_191130.jpg (773,567 bytes)
x2021-01-25_191200_gs.jpg (814,345 bytes)
johku

johku

2021-01-25 12:40

reporter   ~0000174

My apologies, the descriptions of my previous note were wrong. These are the correct ones:
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x2021-01-25_191048.png: I have just started descending around -2.5 deg on FPM after crossing DME 16. According to the chart, ILS glideslope (GS) and localizer (LOC) should have been captured by this time.

x2021-01-25_191130.png: Around DME 13, still no GS nor LOC.

x2021-01-25_191158_before_gs.png: Taken just before the ILS LOC comes alive.

x2021-01-25_191200_gs.png: ILS GS alive.

x2021-01-25_191218_before_loc.png: Taken just before the ILS GS comes alive.

x2021-01-25_191219_loc.png: ILS LOC alive.
anonymous

anonymous

2021-01-25 21:45

viewer   ~0000175

Sure looks like a bug to me. Good catch.
anonymous

anonymous

2021-01-27 12:06

viewer   ~0000202

Does Osan have differently defined ILS? In the attached sample image, I have already captured GS and LOC for Osan RWY 09L ILS with more than DME 16 to the airfield.
2021-01-27_190021.png (2,444,484 bytes)
Dee-Jay

Dee-Jay

2021-01-27 14:12

manager   ~0000205

Yep. Probably an issue in Suwon. I have the same then you on Kunsan (about 18Nm) .

No idea what it can be.
Dee-Jay

Dee-Jay

2021-01-28 06:14

manager   ~0000211

Last edited: 2021-01-28 06:17

I bet on a frequency conflict (108.50) between Suwon and Pyontaek and/or GImahe (all are sharing 108.50)

I will give a try by setting another ILS freq.
Dee-Jay

Dee-Jay

2021-02-15 17:49

manager   ~0000265

Pyeongtaek ils 108.75 instead of 108.50 to avoid frequency conflict with Suwon.

Check fix in next BMS version (not 4.35 update).
Blu3wolf

Blu3wolf

2021-03-21 07:34

manager   ~0000406

@Johku, is this fixed for you in 4.35 U1? I thought the fix was aimed at 4.36.

If its still present in 4.35 U1, we can leave this one as Resolved, and close it once its fixed in the public version. If its fixed in 4.35 U1, we can go ahead and re-close.
johku

johku

2021-03-21 09:44

reporter   ~0000415

Yes, the issue persists still as of BMS 4.35 U1. I just thought this ticket could be closed as Dee-Jay commented the issue has been fixed in the upcoming major version. It's fine if you like to keep the issue in "resolved" state instead of "closed".
Blu3wolf

Blu3wolf

2021-03-22 02:54

manager   ~0000420

We will leave it as resolved for now - when you test it in 4.36 and its fixed, then we can close it :)

Part of that is to save someone else coming along and reporting the same bug, which was already fixed by the devs but there was no open issue describing the bug here. So if you search for your issue and you cant find it in the open issues, you can report it.

Obviously, if we close this issue while the issue still exists in the public version, people wouldnt see that the issue is known, and has been fixed for a future release, which is what we want to achieve with this site :)

Thanks again for reporting, and helping to make BMS better.
johku

johku

2022-05-01 12:46

reporter   ~0000670

This has been solved in BMS 4.36. Glideslope and localizer could be captured at the shown chart distance (BMS_4.36\Docs\03 KTO Charts\01 South Korea\Suwon\Suwon_ILS_33R.png).

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2021-01-24 12:59 johku New Issue
2021-01-24 12:59 johku Tag Attached: airbase
2021-01-25 06:25 Blu3wolf Status new => feedback
2021-01-25 06:25 Blu3wolf Note Added: 0000166
2021-01-25 12:36 johku Note Added: 0000171
2021-01-25 12:36 johku File Added: x2021-01-25_191218_before_loc.jpg
2021-01-25 12:36 johku File Added: x2021-01-25_191219_loc.jpg
2021-01-25 12:36 johku File Added: x2021-01-25_191048.jpg
2021-01-25 12:36 johku File Added: x2021-01-25_191130.jpg
2021-01-25 12:36 johku File Added: x2021-01-25_191158_before_gs.jpg
2021-01-25 12:36 johku File Added: x2021-01-25_191200_gs.jpg
2021-01-25 12:36 johku Status feedback => new
2021-01-25 12:40 johku Note Added: 0000174
2021-01-25 21:45 anonymous Note Added: 0000175
2021-01-27 12:06 anonymous Note Added: 0000202
2021-01-27 12:06 anonymous File Added: 2021-01-27_190021.png
2021-01-27 14:11 anonymous Note Added: 0000204
2021-01-27 14:12 Dee-Jay Note Added: 0000205
2021-01-28 06:14 Dee-Jay Note Added: 0000211
2021-01-28 06:16 Dee-Jay Note Edited: 0000211
2021-01-28 06:17 Dee-Jay Note Edited: 0000211
2021-02-15 17:49 Dee-Jay Note Added: 0000265
2021-02-15 17:52 Dee-Jay Status new => confirmed
2021-02-15 17:54 Dee-Jay Assigned To => Dee-Jay
2021-02-15 17:54 Dee-Jay Status confirmed => assigned
2021-02-15 17:54 Dee-Jay Target Version => BMS 4.36
2021-02-15 17:56 Dee-Jay Status assigned => resolved
2021-02-15 17:56 Dee-Jay Resolution open => fixed
2021-02-15 17:56 Dee-Jay Fixed in Version => BMS 4.36
2021-03-21 06:13 johku Status resolved => closed
2021-03-21 07:34 Blu3wolf Status closed => resolved
2021-03-21 07:34 Blu3wolf Note Added: 0000406
2021-03-21 09:44 johku Note Added: 0000415
2021-03-22 02:54 Blu3wolf Note Added: 0000420
2022-05-01 12:46 johku Status resolved => closed
2022-05-01 12:46 johku Note Added: 0000670